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supernatural fiction
  • EponaEpona July 2011
    is my favorite genre.  it's just usually done so badly.  therefore i would like to start a thread discussing our favorite spooky books.

    i just finished sarah water's "the little stranger" and adored it.  it was more an historical fiction than a horror novel, set in 1947 britain at a time when the landed gentry were found having to tighten their belts.  the story is centered around an old georgian mansion wasting away with the last three family members and the doctor that visits them, who has been obsessed with the house since he was a child.

    the character development was excellent and drew me in.  it was not as predictable as most ghost stories, and the ending was a bit mysterious.
  • I'm too hungover too properly formulate thoughts at the moment, but can I just say Dracula for now.
  • cliveclive July 2011
    Weird supernatural fiction is my favourite genre as well.  I tend to think it's a genre that works best as short stories or novellas really but there are some good novels. I haven't read much Sarah Waters, Affinity is the only one i've read and that was great. Shirley Jackson's 'The Haunting of Hill House' is a classic of course (as is her 'We Have Always Lived In The Castle' but that isn't supernatural really). Generally though i think the level of creeping unease of a good weird story is too hard to sustain over a long period. I really like Ramsey Campbell's short stories for example but mostly his novels are a disappointment.

    Lovecraft and Machen will pop up in this thread i imagine and they're great but my favourite writers tend to be far more subtle and far more ambiguous. Walter de la Mare is up the top of my list. His short stories are a total enigma of weirdness. Often it is hard to tell if something supernatural or weird is going on at all or whether it is something you are imagining yourself but the stories get under the skin and itch at you for days later. Oliver Onions and L.P Hartley are two other writers from the same Edwardian period who get close to this weird existential horror. 

    The writer who gets closest to, and surpasses, Mare's open-ended weirdness, though, is Robert Aickman who wrote a number of story collections between the '50s and the early '80s (he died in '82 i think). Aickman is my favourite writer full stop and i'm not sure what he does in his stories, or how he does it, but i find them terrifying and totally unnerving. Part of it is his settings of course. I'm a sucker for the slightly sleazy run down bedsits of the 50s and 60s, the lost person abroad, animated wood, carnival tents set up in grim pub carparks. Within these settings Aickman does something that i find pretty unexplainable in the way they seem to connect and get under the skin. It's like a weird uncomfortable Proustian thing but one that leaves you not sure of what you are quite remembering and why it is making you feel so icky. And his autobiography 'The Attemped Rescue' is pretty damn weird itself. The guy sure had a bonkers family. 

    There are some great supernatural writers around at the moment as well. I'd say we are in a bit of a golden age really. Thomas Ligotti still reigns supreme in my mind but writers such as Mark Samuels, Quintin S Crisp, Laird Barron, Simon Strantzas, Nina Allan, Jeremy Dyson, Matt Cardin and a lot more are all doing some fantastic work in the supernatural area. It's a good time to be into the weird i'd say.

    Oh, and i forgot all my favourite eastern european writers such as Bruno Schulz and Stefan Grabinski.
  • GefGef July 2011
    clive said: I really like Ramsey Campbell's short stories


    Me too, the background of Liverpool housing estates and bedsits that he sometimes deploys gives a gritty edge of realism to his fantastical tales.
  • quantum July 2011
    I just bought some Oliver Onions by chance, as part of a supernatural binge as I am reading around HPL- and I accidentally bought two copies of the King in Yellow, does anyone want one?
  • GefGef July 2011
    quantum said: and I accidentally bought two copies of the King in Yellow, does anyone want one?


    By Robert Chambers? I'd love to have a read, and compare with Lovecraft, Machen et al - how much do you want for it?
  • genlobgenlob July 2011

    I've been reading a few of the Edwardian short stories recently. I've been impressed by Machen's The Great God Pan; MR James' Oh, Whistle and I'll come to You My Lad; Algernon Blackwood's The Empty House. Actually most of Blackwood's stuff. Also the Carnacki stories by William Hope Hodgson. Alan Moore's used Carnacki as one of the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.


     


     

  • mumbertoes July 2011
    Ligotti is my fave for sure, working my way through all his stuff again at the moment.
  • quantum July 2011
    Gef- it only cost me £2.80 so I'd be happy to give it to you as long as you do something nice for someone and give me the credit. PM me your details and I'll post it to you.
  • I've been on a Clark Ashton Smith kick lately.  You can find his stories and poems collected here: The Eldtritch Dark. Smith's prose isn't to everyone's taste but I love it; he employs his abstruse and outlandish vocabulary with real skill and his stories are genuinely engrossing and chilling.
  • XKXK July 2011
    I love me some CAS! Best of the mythos bunch really.
  • EvanEvan July 2011

    No mention of Ray Bradbury yet?  Dark Carnival/October Country probably scarred me for life. 


    And Something Wicked This Way Comes . . .

  • Didan Wynne Jones -- now, sadly, no longer with us -- had a phenomenal command of the supernatural in fiction.  Her books (nominally aimed at children) have some of the richest and real-est depictions of magic I've ever encountered.  DWJ's magic just feels so right.
  • Liger+NullLiger Null July 2011
    When I was in college I read The Cipher by Kathe Koja and it scared the crap out of me. It stuck with me probably because the characters were shiftless, jaded, twenty-somethings like my friends and I were, and there was no pat explanation for what was going on. The Funhole just was, and that was that.
  • About to reread Catherine Moore's Jirel of Joiry short stories, some of the best supernatural fiction of the Thirties, and some of the best coping w/sexual assault fiction, early on there, if terribly reliant on "black" as a descriptor of badness. Hell is filled with blind horses racing on dead sea-foam. And, agony.
  • EponaEpona July 2011
    i'm really excited by this thread, my reading list has just gotten a lot longer.  also deserving a mention here is house of leaves by mark danielewski.  though i've heard everything else he's written is crap, that book made me afraid to get up in the middle of the night to go to the loo.
  • I don't know about supernatural, but there were parts of Dhalgren that filled me with a sort of nauseous low-level dread. The kind you feel when walls aren't solid and gravity shifts, perspective becoming unshackled and drifting.

    Not in that eldritch kind of way that HPL and the late Victorians did so well, but of a more modern, less theologically demonic sense. A bit like Lord of the Flies with added sci-fi/fantasy/weirdness at the soft centre.

    It's been a while since I read spooky books as such. Something to remedy I think, and with all the great calls so far there's plenty to choose from.
  • XKXK July 2011
    I'll have to go have a stare at the shelves to see what I loves best, but Shirley Jackson's horror has been newly issued /collected by the Library of America edition and is superb. creepmo human and supernatural but heavy on the chills from humanity being heinous.

    Movies tend to over play their hand on this flavor of horror as it is so dependent on a light touch, but I gotta give a shout out to The Changeling, which I believe was my first exposure to this genre done right. Love the scare factor in that thing.
  • XKXK July 2011
    Oh yes, Ghost Story,  by Peter Straub is my very favorite one of these.  EEEEEEEEeeeeee!!
    The movie was ok, but nixed the entire super creeptastic icky part of the plot from my POV.
  • "Didan"?  What the Hel.  Diana.  Don't know how I even typed that, let alone failed to see it when it posted...

  • XKXK July 2011
    I thought you knew something I didn't ;)
  • quantum July 2011
    Epona is right, House of Leaves is unbelievable, I think it took eleven years to write and is the only book I've read to fill me with genuine dread
  • grantgrant July 2011
    I wound up reading House of Leaves in Jamestown, Virginia, purely by coincidence.

    Which was a little weird.

    I read that historical section the evening after going to the historic Jamestown settlement. Eerie.
  • I got about 1/4 of the way through House of Leaves.  Had to stop reading it because i got so wigged out.
  • Sounds like I really need to get hold of that House of Leaves Book.
  • QuilQuil July 2011
    Mordant Carnival said: Her books (nominally aimed at children) have some of the richest and real-est depictions of magic I've ever encountered. DWJ's magic just feels so right.


    I agree with this tremendously, and I was thinking about the way she wrote magic just the other day. Not sure if this is entirely related to MC's point, but:

    In a few (not all) of her books she does something that lots of authors never try: creates a ton of loose ends, a cosmology that's unapologetically unclear. In books like Fire and Hemlock or Archer's Goon, there are these entities and events that are supernatural/paranormal, but you don't learn the "rules of magic" or the entities' origin in any particular way. The books don't sit you down to say "these are fairies, these are gods" and use the word "magic" incredibly sparingly. Instead, her characters are thrust into a situation, and dealing with it is more important than knowing its backstory.

    I love muddy and confusing cosmologies because they are the only kind I've ever been able to encounter in real magic.
  • quantum July 2011
    I also really loved her idea of Ayeward and Nayward worlds with more or less magic in, brilliant, and the magic in Homeward Bounders is great (her arm!)

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