Grotto of Nolte said: Do we have a thread for looks and appearances? As in faces, masks literal or figurative, glamours, clothes, garments and attires etc etc? I know there's a tattoo thread, but I also suspect one or two of the regulars have some pointed opinions on looks and such. Interested, kittens?
Princess said: Oooh. This is relevant to my interests. I was thinking of a cosmetics thread. I wanted to talk about how "product" choice often has more to do with our psychology than our physical condition. ie. Why is immac called immac?I didn't think there'd be enough mileage in that thread, so if you start your thread then I'd probably find a few words to say along those lines.
Gypsy Lantern said: It had crossed my mind to start a tailoring thread, but I figured it would just be me and Gef talking about narrow lapels, ticket pockets and acceptable widths for ties.
Evan said: Might want to keep it slightly broader than tailoring to include other sartorial issues -- everything from fashion to knitting to style and subcultures. For example, at the moment I'm wearing a Fred Perry short-sleeve polo shirt. I suspect what that means to a 15-year-old British person, a 45-year-old British person, a 45-year-old American punk, and my employer may be four very different things. Might be worth folding discussions about that sort of thing into the talk of narrow lapels and Paul Weller.
Gypsy Lantern said: Oshun is all over that sort of thing. Glamours and decorative arts are a huge part of her mystery and sorcery.
XK said: For me the path isn't wrapping big men around my little finger, but making it clear I am a competent equal able to utilize social norms while subverting them to fit my self expression.
Start with a skinny tie and before you know it you'll want to add a keyboard pattern. And then you're lost.
Yeah that might be a risk if you were born in 1965, 1970. Grandpap. Black slacks and ties were pretty much my standard apparel for work (and often for going out) back in the day, which I did not mind at all. I found that when I took my lunch break at the corporate office park nearby, I could pretty much wander where I pleased and it would more or less be assumed that I had business there, that I belonged. Maybe its because my job was not at all important and I wasn't very professional in any sense of the word that I enjoyed looking professional so much. It would make sense, especially now that I have to be professional at work and feel no urge whatesoever to look or act the part. Suddenly the notion that it was all "don't tell me what to do, maaaaaaan" has come over me, and I feel pretty silly.
Skinny ties. Yes. Especially for those of us who are rather narrow to begin with and enjoy jackets and shirts cut to be rather form fitting. Don't like much color in them, though. Have always prefered white shirts and black ties.
I'm of the school that all gender is performative and we are the self decorating ape out of the primate family. So yeah, I'm not so concerned with presenting some variant of 'true' rather it's presenting something resonate and that I feel isn't misappropriated. Is this along the lines of what you mean for yourself?
What costume box I rummage in today might not be the one tomorrow, what I can pass as today I might not wish to pass as (or be unable to) tomorrow.
The thing is, if one attempts to display a certain presentation chances are someone external may feel entitled to police that presentation. The more privilege a person has the more options they have with taking risks with presentation. The inverse is often more obvious and painful.
The more femme my presentation becomes the more I pass and get rewarded for doing so. For myself this has resulted in signalling my non compliance with more obvious tattooing, even though the practice carries much less of a stigma then previously.
I want access to that costume box for the things I want out of it, including aspects of the privilege it affords, but in a way that is not creating dissonance within my ID kit. I think that maybe similar to your concern about lying?
XK said: The adults doing high ritual in school play level outfits did not make the same impact as the adults in carefully constructed (even often ultra simple) outfits.
Evan said: bare feet if I'm indoors and walking in any circles, etc. Possibly something I picked up from yoga -- makes me feel grounded.
XK said: I try to stay away from having must have tools for most of my work.
Princess said: But for other guests, yeah, keep it mismatched. Otherwise you will look like you've just come from a different wedding.
Princess said: DAT FAIRISLE.
Time for new glasses.
For years I wore barely-visible bronze wire rimless things (Kazuo Kawasaki), but for the last few years I've worn semi-retro black horn rim-looking things (Oga).
So -- what sort of thing should I get that will look hip and attractive but not too far-out for a (fairly progressive) corporate workplace and the occasional courtroom? Bonus points if it will work well with a big ol' bald oval-shaped head. (Think Terry O'Quinn.)
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